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It's a conspiracy - Echoes of Flavio's Ghost Dreaming
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It's a conspiracy
A couple of people in my FB f-list turn out to believe in pretty much every conspiracy theory around. The moon landing was a fake ('done in a Hollywood basement' in the rather trodden phrase of RHCP's song). I've mentioned that there is one particular person who IRL comes across as quite cogent and rational, but believes the moon landing was a fake, 9/11 was an inside job, vaccines are a means of control (how?) by the state or something like that (I can't quite understand the argument).

I have mentioned this before and I may come back to it again -it really baffles me so I have to think about how it works.

One of the elements in this may be ... that we all need explanations and reassurances, thrown in a world that can be supremely hostile at times, so we invent narratives in which it all has a sense and a purpose; there is a hidden hand (good or evil) making it all work the way it does. So we create god, alien abductions and secret government conspiracies. This way the world makes sense. If it is god, well, we are in his (why not her?) hands and all will be well. If it is an evil conspiracy, it can be thwarted and things made better. Hm, not sure about the last bit but I feel some of how it works may be along those lines.

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ninshubur From: ninshubur Date: June 22nd, 2015 08:06 am (UTC) (Link)
It's very much about taking scepticism and distrust of authority to a logical extreme. The powers that be are suspect -> everything in the world that can be related to the "establishment" (be it political, economical or scientific) is inherently suspect.
flavius_m From: flavius_m Date: June 28th, 2015 09:04 pm (UTC) (Link)
That may be one of the elements at play -but I'm not sure that explains the whole thing. Easy black-and-white explanations of the world with its problems having clearly visible agents at their cause, that you can point at with your finger, may also be a factor.
zenithed From: zenithed Date: June 22nd, 2015 10:30 am (UTC) (Link)
Yeah, I have a friend who's very into conspiracy theories, and I figure a desire for there to be a reason behind everything is the underlying cause. Ironically it makes the world feel less scary to think that there's a group of malevolent people controlling things, instead of there being a lot of chance and unplanned consequences.
kruku From: kruku Date: June 22nd, 2015 05:48 pm (UTC) (Link)
Does your friend tend to believe that all the conspiracies are linked?
zenithed From: zenithed Date: June 22nd, 2015 05:53 pm (UTC) (Link)
Hrm, don't think so, but tbh I've never gone into it in a lot of detail. He definitely thinks that the CIA are behind UFO sightings.
kruku From: kruku Date: June 23rd, 2015 08:58 am (UTC) (Link)
I love it when connspiracy buffs push for a unifying connspiracy theory for a wide range of phenonoma. Unfortunately it's really hard to resist dismantling their logic because it's too cruel really^^ :)


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kruku From: kruku Date: June 22nd, 2015 05:44 pm (UTC) (Link)
I'm very into conspiracy theories. I believe if I collect as many as posssible at least some must be the real thing. It's a very scientific method of information gathering. How can I go wrong?

The thing is I am very into conspiracy theories. And I do believe if I collect as many as posssible at least some must be the real thing. But then I look for evidence and drive friends nuts by talking about it. Not all conspircay theories I find bear up under the light of any serious scrutiny but the ones that do are very surprising. Jimmy Savilles cozy and profitable relationship with Westminster's higher echelons and the Royals is a typical example.
flavius_m From: flavius_m Date: June 22nd, 2015 05:57 pm (UTC) (Link)
When we meet for that pint, which is quite over-due, please do not do that unless you want me to avoid your company forever :D
kruku From: kruku Date: June 23rd, 2015 09:01 am (UTC) (Link)
But prepping a flash mob of Furries to ambush you with a group hug is OK? :3
kruku From: kruku Date: June 22nd, 2015 05:51 pm (UTC) (Link)
I would love that the Moon landing was fake:)
flavius_m From: flavius_m Date: June 22nd, 2015 05:56 pm (UTC) (Link)
It would depress me enormously. But I don' t think they would have needed to fake it.
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