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Catching the tail end of one of those programs on BBC4 on early… - Echoes of Flavio's Ghost Dreaming
Catching the tail end of one of those programs on BBC4 on early British rock'n roll (not yet 'rock') and the end with these granddads playing some rock shuffle thing with words that go 'never too old to rock'. Finding it very poignant, evoking slightly gloomy thoughts about the transient nature of the human experience. You can already see the same sort of nostalgia treatment on punk and on '80s pop. Haven't seen one on goth but it won't be long coming. It is a bit difficult to imagine that sort of nostalgic programme dedicated to power noise and, I don't know, Converter, Winterkälte and This 'Morn Omina but then again it would have been impossible back in the day to believe that Never Mind the Bollocks would one day be Radio 2 and nostalgia BBC4 material. And that has long since been the case.


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kruku From: kruku Date: January 5th, 2014 02:32 pm (UTC) (Link)
During the 70's I was not allways happy about the state of music ...then along came punk! Which made everyone up their game :) Things come in cycles and we often have to be patient for some youngster to turn up pick up the torch :)
flavius_m From: flavius_m Date: January 6th, 2014 11:49 am (UTC) (Link)
During the '70s.. punk never happened in Vz. We were still happily listening to Yes when everybody else had moved on :P in the same way we stuck to Betamax long after the rest of the world had gone VHS -it all looks quaint now.

In my personal case, I was busy studying music so I was discovering a whole lot of stuff well outside the world of pop or rock, too. And still playing in horrible, bad little local bands....

Yes, those cycles will keep turning, hopefully, even though as we get older we may not understand at all the new thing coming -part of life, I s'pose.
kruku From: kruku Date: January 6th, 2014 06:00 pm (UTC) (Link)
Was listening to an interview of Yes on Radio the other day. It was like going back in time; They'r ambivilant wether they're a Jazz or Rock band :D
androktone From: androktone Date: January 5th, 2014 03:02 pm (UTC) (Link)
It's weird isn't it - subcultures seem focussed so much on the young - it feels a bit incongruous dressing up and going to things now. Punk gigs are a bit different as there are loads of grizzled old punks but then again they can be snotty if you don't look the part and that conflicts with my ability to earn a living, since I'm not a programmer or a guitar teacher ;)
I used to be so invested in the metal, goth and punk scenes and they feel like a foreign country now where I'm not particularly welcome.

That's probably a good thing for the scenes though, that they're still attracting people and creating bands in their teens and twenties - the patronising bbc show with a load of oldies feebly bopping to ebm is probably a few decades away :)
flavius_m From: flavius_m Date: January 6th, 2014 11:55 am (UTC) (Link)
EBM was a particular minority interest, a small part of what those BBC4 compilers would see as the goth world, so I don't expect it'll ever get a nostalgia program on its own, but in general, yes.. that's the way it goes.

I never have felt discriminated or left out by the goths. Or not more than by any other group, anyway. Maybe there has been one occasion when it was plain that a person or two didn't consider me cool enough to speak to because of my age or not wearing the 'uniform' at the time, but on the whole far less than in the interactions with any other group or sub-culture, including back in Venezuela, where with a couple of them I did find myself firmly outside the magic chalk circle.

The wheel keeps turning, hopefully, as Dave was saying in his comment.
augeas From: augeas Date: January 5th, 2014 06:41 pm (UTC) (Link)
T.G. and Boyd Rice / NON werd on a CD stuck to Mojo magazine. It's all over.
flavius_m From: flavius_m Date: January 6th, 2014 11:56 am (UTC) (Link)
It's not all over yet (isn't that a song?:D) but we may not entirely understand what comes next, as we get old. Just the way life works...
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